that their detention is going to be anything but indefinite. a loss of hope that anything might change that would clear up their futures. do you think that that affects both the strategic and the ethical consideration here. >> i think it does. i mean, i think that the argument for keeping someone alive against their will is obviously strongest when you can make an argument that that person is not of sound mind or body. you know, that their untreated mental illness or something like that and things are going to get better for them. these people are saying, look, i've been here for 11 years in some cases. every indication could be i could be in this little cell for the rest of my life though the united s you know, i was physic there during the president's speech, the speech that judge kessler quoted. in fact, i also was sitting directly in front of medea benjamin, the heckler he referred to when he talked about the young lady who interrupted him and i tried to slither down in my seat. i was there and i saw him. >> is there legal clarity on the issue of whethe detainees from harming themselves. they may be detained for a long time, we'll see, maybe not, but in the future, we have a duty to keep them safe even if that means force-feeding them. on the other hand, there is also a compelling argument to be made, which the medical association agrees. which is if you have an adult who is not mentally ill, who says i choose to hear the prisoner's advocates explain, and sometimes interesting to hear why the prisoners made this decision, they're tying it very clearly to the loss of hope that their situation is going to be indefinite. is there resistance between the relationship of the political side and the military side on this. >> no, i don't think so, i think that everybody in the executive branch wants guantanamo closed. i think it is hard to find somebody who will take this job, frankly. it is a thankless job with minimal likelihood of success. and i should add, to be fair to president obama, there is one political actor in this country who can easily change this if they feel like.